Why Talented People Don’t Get Hired

Employers call me and wail, “So many job candidates, and no one to fill my job.” They say that the recent economic woes haven’t made it much easier for them to hire talent. “We get flooded with applications,” they tell me, “and most of them are dreck.”

Your applications are dreck? That’s a shock. Gee, all you’re doing is asking every single person who would throw his hat in the ring for a job in your company to:

  1. Waste 45 minutes filling out a cumbersome, 1999-vintage online application form;
  2. Recall and convey every hiring date (year AND month) and departure date (ditto) for every job a job-seeker has ever held; AND remember every salary and every supervisor’s name;
  3. Agree to an upfront background check, credit check, and reference check before the applicant has received so much as the courtesy of a return email message; and
  4. Send all this personal information into the void, on the off chance that the employer might stoop to respond with a phone call, an email message or an off-handed auto-responder that says “Don’t call us; we’ll call you – or else we won’t.”

Job application processes are insulting. And employers wonder why they can’t fill jobs?

What self-respecting person is willing to put up with this demeaning routine? If employers can’t show more respect to the talented people applying for work in their companies, why would any job seeker with other options sign up for this galley-slave treatment?

I tell job seekers that applying for jobs online at Monster and CareerBuilder is less reliable, outcome-wise, than playing the lottery. At least the state lottery is legally bound to give someone the prize. Corporations aren’t legally required to give someone the job. They aren’t even legally required to HAVE a job opening, when they run an ad online. They could be fishing to see who’s around and what they’d need to pay to find an Online Marketing Manager, an HRIS Specialist or a Business Analyst, if they should decide to hire one in the future.

There are talented people everywhere. Lots of them are consulting. They experienced one too many ‘three-interviews-gee-this-looks-promising-we’re-about-to-check-references’ scenarios followed by radio silence, the kind where your calls don’t get returned. Have corporate recruiting managers no shame? How do you sit down with a person three or four times, talk with his or her spouse on the phone, share stories and ideas together and then – poof! The door shuts.

I have half a dozen personal friends who are entrepreneurs, doing quite well. I ask them “Would you ever go back to the corporate world?” and they say, “Sure, if the right opportunity arose, and someone called me, and I didn’t have to go through that whole HR rigmarole—- No, I wouldn’t.”

HR people don’t see the problem, although it’s staring them in the face. They’re so used to the filthy water they’re swimming in that they can’t see the candidate-fish choking and dying all around them. In what other adult conversation would we dare to ask a person “What is your greatest weakness?” That’s an insulting, juvenile question on top of being nobody’s business. Yet this and other insulting, archaic artifacts of the 1950′s recruiting process linger on. (A good answer to the question, by the way, is “Chocolate.”)

Every day I hear of new, reprehensible bricks mortared onto the already-imposing wall between most employers and the talent population. “Hey Liz,” writes one reader, “I just saw a job ad that requires candidates to submit a four-page business plan along with their resume. It’s a business plan for the employer’s new product, of course. That’d take me a weekend to complete. You think I should spend a weekend on this unpaid project?” Hell no, was my reply. Why would you waste three seconds on these people, who show so little respect for your time? You’d lob that business plan over the wall, and most likely hear nothing from them – ever. You don’t need to trifle with people like that. Your information, your instincts, and your energy are too valuable. Save ‘em for an employer who will value them.

Smart job seekers are locating and contacting those employers who are most attuned to the value of their talents – very often, they’re startup organizations rather than large employers – and avoiding the corporate Black Hole altogether. Who can blame them? The more bricks we put in the wall, the more our Employer Brand will resemble this one:

Come and work with us at Acme Corp! We hire the most docile and doormat-ish employees on the planet. Why, if you can make it through three online personality tests, weeks of no communication, five in-person interviews and an exhaustive background check without getting your most basic questions answered or your phone calls returned, you may be just the right person for us! If you’re a lucky selected candidate, we’ll run you through the interview wringer at great personal inconvenience to you, you’ll hear nothing from us, and eleven weeks later you’ll receive our offer letter (with your name spelled wrong) in the mail! You’d better accept that offer on the spot, too, because if you don’t, there are six other doormats waiting in line behind you!

It’s no secret why employers are wailing and gnashing their teeth over talent shortages. Maybe our schools are failing us, they say. The schools aren’t failing them – they’re failing themselves. If you’re a corporate recruiting manager, you might take this opportunity to ‘staple yourself to a resume’ and imagine the process by which you bring newcomers onto the payroll. If your firm is typical, the waiting time, unreturned calls, increasingly onerous recruiting demands and general disdain for candidates’ time and intelligence will be an eye-opener for you. The ability to recruit talent – not just bodies – is a competitive differentiator. Will your company grab it, and start pulling bricks out of the wall?

Guest Blogger Liz Ryan is a member of the Glassdoor Clearview Collection and a former Fortune 500 HR executive; she is the Workplace Expert for Business Week Online and the Networking Expert for Hot Jobs. Liz’s advice columns reach 50 million readers per month. Ryan leads the 25,000-member Ask Liz Ryan online community, where she shares business, career and life advice with members every day. She authored the book: "Happy About Online Networking: the virtual-ly simple way to build professional relationships" and is a sought-after keynote speaker. She has addressed a wide range of audiences including the United Nations, CEOs, HR leaders, and entrepreneurs.

  • http://twitter.com/tlcolson Tammy Colson

    Absolutely great post. I don't hire much in the way of “talent” in my family owned manufacturing environment – but I do keep the process short and sweet, and push the HM's to make a decision.

    On the flip side, as a layed-off HR pro for about a year, I struggled with that black hole myself.
    Now you make me wonder why I got back into the corporate side of things!

  • http://www.johnwasinski.com John Wasinski

    Liz, thank you for this. Your paragraphs at the beginning really capture the state of affairs well. The hiring process, it seems, has become more ridiculous than it ever has been before. I'm working on a few projects that address this in my specific field. And yes, I'm about done with the job market, and making moves to become a full-time consultant as well.

    The best four jobs in my lifetime that I have had, required none of the time-wasters. One was a school district that actively recruited me while I was an undergraduate; one was an independently owned pizza place with an owner who had a lot of integrity; one was a temporary placement that led to a $35,000/year job offer; and one was a university organization that did require an application and interview, but, sincerely treated every person who passed through their doors with care. In all four, people mattered, and I knew this from the first interaction I had with the management or owners.

  • rosiezaldatte

    Thanks Liz. Soooooo true

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherahicks Christopher Hicks

    Wow! You go girl! I've never heard someone who is from the HR function lay it out so clearly. The current HR hiring system is horribly broken and the on-line application process is the worst. I sincerely hope this article gets read by a large audience. I've been actively looking for work and sending off hundreds of electronic applications and you know what, the scenarios you describe are tame in comparison. After months of person hours, I have received less than half a dozen real responses even acknowledging the job application. And yes, I've had the “get your hopes up” period where the HR person or the recruiter pre screens you and has you answer a two pages of detailed screening technical questions, all to have the activity end in, as you so eloquently put it: “radio silence”. What makes this all worse is I'm a manager who had done lots of hiring and treated candidates respectfully. Why can't they?

    My last pet peeve, requiring someone to have 5-10 years experience in new fields. Most solar and wind energy openings (and there are quite a few) all are requiring exact prior experience in the field already. Hello.. there aren't; that many people who have worked int he field yet and if they have a job in this economy, why would they want to jump ship now? I've got very comparable engineering experience working on similar systems and technology, yet I can't get my foot in the door.

    Liz, what do you recommend us folks to do in order to break through this cyber-wall that prevents most on-line applications never getting read by hiring managers?

  • lizryan

    Hi Christopher, the big thing is to avoid the Black Hole. Just ignore it. Whether you're applying for a posted job or writing to a company without knowing whether they have an opening or not (and that's a very good thing to do – often by the time the job is posted, the stupid endless list of requirements is set in stone), the thing to do is to find the decision-maker and write to him or her directly. If you've got a LinkedIn connection to that person, that's the best-case scenario. If not, it's still fine, you can write to him or her via snail mail. You send your customized resume (customized to the specific job or specific need, I mean) and a Pain letter that addresses what the employer is up against. You don't say “you're looking for x, y and z and I have all of those things.” Instead, you address the business pain behind the job opening or the company's current business challenge. There aren't very many different forms of business pain – there's pain related to growth, to contraction, to changes in the industry – it's pretty easy to figure out what the pain point is. There are some examples of pain letters on my blog at http://www.practicaljobsearchadvice.blogspot.com. It's crazy how well they work. One of the women in a job-search workshop series I'm leading, sent off a pain letter last Wednesday – for a Federal government job of all things – and she got a call from the hiring manager on Saturday morning. When a hiring manager who has real business challenges (and they all do) gets a letter from a smart person who understands what the hiring manager is up against and has slain the same dragon(s) before, the whole hiring equation is different. Now we're not crawling over broken glass to try to earn an audience with His Majesty. That hiring manager was dying to talk to the job-seeker on a Saturday morning. It's very encouraging for a job-seeker when we get this kind of response, of course. The bad news is that the hiring apparatus is broken almost beyond repair at almost every employer, but the silver lining is that we can navigate through the wreckage to find those cracks in the brick wall and get to the hiring managers directly. If the lady from the job-search workshop ever meets the HR people in that Federal agency, it'll be at the end of the process, after the hiring manager has already made her an offer. Sad to see the HR function so mis-used but a lot of employers like it that way – and sad to say, a lot of HR people are more comfortable in bureaucratic functionary roles than actually helping people get jobs and succeed at them. But don't get me started…..
    enjoy your evening Christopher
    Liz

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherahicks Christopher Hicks

    Thanks Liz, I've been following your columns for quite a while and have used the “what is your pain?” approach wiht some good results once I get through to someone. I'll go back to my networking and try to directly contact more of the decision makers. I'm not giving up on my search, but after so many unanswered electronic job applications and custom cover letters and resumes I need to refocus who I am pitching to. You give good advice. Thanks! -Christopher

  • http://www.engagingchange.com/ Michael Cushman

    Funny style, and very enjoyable.

    I advise people the same as you, don't bother. Don't stare at the sun, don't microwave your cat to keep it warm, and don't fill out online applications.

    The whole processes is broken, has been for a while, but the current downturn has exacerbated it.

    Never lead with an application or a resume. Never talk to HR until your hired.

    Thanks for the good read

    Regards
    Michael

  • lizryan

    bwaaaa! I will remember those. So, how DO you warm up your cat Michael? :-)

  • lgreer

    I'm not religious but somehow I feel compelled to say Amen to this article! Thanks Liz. Let's just hope that the people who need to hear this are listening. I personally have vowed not to go back to corporate because most of the time the environment, nevermind, HR, doesn't treat people with humanity!

  • http://mbapmp.com/ David Mullaney

    What a powerful shot of adrenalin for the job seekers. Thank you, Liz!
    In the job search, we so often focus on the many things we “ought” to be doing; it is comforting to see this informed, sympathetic challenge to corporate HR. Alas, we probably will continue to pour otherwise fruitful hours into the black hole, but your article and the helpful comments provide a better vision for finding the right job.
    -David Mullaney, MBA, PMP
    http://mbapmp.com

  • yaz

    Here are the ways I have got job offers:
    1. Apply for a company where your college professors or lecturers and classmates work (maybe they even own shares of them). Send your cover letter and resume by snail mail, and then call after a few days to ask if they received it. Ask to talk to the hiring manager, and ask for in-person interview. Dress up for the interview, and be cool. If you're fresh from college, and have no kids and perhaps a spouse, you are OK to accept entry level positions with a meager salary. This is just a stepping stone for higher paying positions with more meaningful tasks.

    2. Once you're done with the entry-level job, maybe go out and volunteer for a year if you can (if you can get support for housing and food and if your spouse has a job this is easier). Then start your next job search campaing. Send your cover letter, and resume by snail mail to companies that advertise they are looking for people with your profession (E.g. software engineers). After a while, call that company and ask to speak with the hiring manager, and ask them if they have received that letter, and if they have, ask directly for a in-person interview. This worked well in the late 1990's. Once you've established an in-person interview, dress up and show up in time. Also be sure to have at least two interviews to go in one day if that is over 100 miles away from your home and you will need to relocate to a new city/country. It is no use to go in-person for one job interview for hundred of miles.

    3. Network with your friends who work in another companies. If they have been asked to switch to another company, but they do not want to do it, and they can recommend you instead, go for it. IF the job is in another country, have first a phone interview, and make sure you ask for in-person interview (this is mostly for you to get to know the new country and the work place). Take this as an opportunity to scout the area: what is the cost of living like, how about the commute, and most of all what are the potential jobs in other companies around there like. That was in the end of the 1998 when companies were accepting new employees over seas just based on a phone interview alone — but those companies mostly were temporary worker agencies who kept a lions share of the money once they hired you, so you might take your time to work for them and then look for something better.

    4. While slaving away for the temporary worker agency, build up your connections and skills. Accept short term jobs, they will add new skills for your resume. You may have to lower your status and expectations of what kind of jobs you will do. Remember this is a temporary phase. Find tangents, E.g. if you work as a SDET doing mobile phone based software, you may be able to land a SDE position later for another agency. Again, do not only send e-mail resumes, but snail mail cover letter plus resume, call the manager, and ask for in-person interview. In the interview ask for the job.

    5. Know someone who is working in the company, and ask him or her to recommend you. Email, snail mail, and call, until you get an in-person interview, where you ask for the job.

    Most importantly, do your homework. Research the companies, the people who work for them, the products they do, the technologies they use, the markets they play on, and their competitors. Knowledge is power. Also, it helps if you are interested in the products they do or services they serve. Also, remember to read a lot, books, web, about subjects and skills you will need to master for your next job.

    Sometimes it is also a good to put yourself in the employer's shoes. Think what would you feel and think if you received your own letter or email, phone call, or in-person talk.

    On-line forms, emailing resumes, they have yet to prove to me to be valuable. I have been on both sides of the job market, as a job seeker and a hiring manager. With the hundreds of emails incoming to my e-mailbox daily, it would have been hard to get my attention with an emailed resume. However, with almost no snail mail letters, or almost no outside phone calls, it was very easy to reach me and get my attention.

  • Chris

    *Little tear*
    *Applause*

  • catherineD

    Like what you're saying. Have been thinking about how discouraging the job market looks right now, but now how humiliating it is. Great point.

  • robertadavis

    THROUGH MY MANY YEARS OF TRYING EVEN TO GET PROMOTED IN MY DEPARTMENT, I HAVE FOUND THAT MANY OF THE TOP PEOPLE IN MY DEPARTMENT DOING THE HIRING DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HIRE PEOPLE. TAKE ME FOR INSTANCE – I WAS A HIRING MANAGER AT ONE TIME FOR LOWER CLASSIFICATION CLERICAL STAFF. HUMAN RESOUCES NEVER HELPED ME. I HAD TO GO TO THEIR FILES IN THEIR AREA AND FIND CANDIDATES THAT I INTERVIEWED AND SUBSEQUENTLY HIRED. I RECONSTRUCTED A DEPARTMENT THAT WAS ACTUALLY HORRIBLE WHEN I TOOK OVER. I FOUND CANDIDATES AND THEY WORKED OUT. I KNEW DURING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WHEN I INTERVIEWED THEM ONLY ONCE HOW THEY WOULD WORK OUT IN THE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THEM TO THIS DAY ARE STILL WORKING AND HAVE GONE ON TO NIGHT SCHOOL AND GOTTEN DEGREES SOME OF THEM MASTERS. I FEEL I DID A REAL GOOD JOB IN THE HIRING PROCESS. HIRING PEOPLE TODAY LOOK TOO MUCH AT THE BIG PICTURE INSTEAD OF AT THE SMALLER PICTURE WHEN HIRING AND ALSO LACK THE EXPERIENCE IN THE HIRING FIELD. THEY WANT A PIECE OF PAPER TO TELL THEM WHETHER THEY ARE THE PERFECT CANDIDATE. MOST PEOPLE WILL GROW INTO THEIR JOBS, AS MINE DID, WHEN YOU MAKE THEM FEEL THEY ARE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO HIRE.

  • rickclements

    For anyone who thinks you are exaggerating, I can say you are understating the problem.

    With many companies, after you've made a personal contact, you have to go though the automated process and the hiring manager will watch for your application.

    One company wanted not only month and year, but day as well.

    Many large companies, use the same company to handle their on line applications. It saves your information in case you apply again. But if you apply to a different company using the same system, you have to enter it again.

    There is nothing more frustrating than to get half an hour into one of the automated systems only to have it lock up, or timeout when you are looking up information or reformatting what you already prepared.

    When I was at a company, that didn't use an on line system, I got a call from a friend who we had interviewed a couple months earlier. He had been in for a face to face interview then heard nothing. HR had never told him we didn't thing he would really be interested in the projects we were doing.

  • CiroDiSclafani

    Thanks Liz,

    You've effectively documented, and articulated, what I've been telling my clients for years. You've pointed out the abuses companies use to pre-disqualify potentially qualified candidates. I tell them not to play by the rules, when the rules are unfair.

    In today's “Buyer's Market”, it's important for job seekers to become “Buyers” too. I will be fowarding your article to my clients.

    I knew there had to be at least one other enlightened Career Coach out there who is on the same “wavelength”.

    Beat regards,
    Ciro DiSclafani
    Dream Job Maven

  • Julie

    Thank you for this article! I have become completely disillusioned with this process and can't believe the rude treatment from recruiters and HR folks. I am perfectly qualified, down to the specialized needs for a paralegal position that continues to be advertised in my community and have excellent references and work history. I took all the polite and “correct” steps. I submitted my resume, followed up with the recruiter by email, then phone, then she even “connected” me on LinkedIn. I waited a few weeks, followed up by email and phone again suggesting we meet (even if she only had 10 minutes), so I could introduce myself in person. She has NEVER returned one phone call or email. How long does it take to hit the reply button and type the words “Thank you!”? I'm still submitting my resume on specific interesting positions if their online process isn't ridiculous, but am primarily researching non-corporate options and a new career field. We've all contributed too much in our day to put up with this type of treatment. If I were the HR Director at some of these places I would be appalled at the way candidates are being treated and would be re-vamping the processes.

  • dorsal900

    Wow Liz, talk about hypocritical! I was treated exactly this way when I applied for a posted job at your former corporation more than a decade ago. Maybe you get it now.

  • dorsal900

    Wow Liz, talk about hypocritical! I was treated exactly this way when I applied for a posted position at your former corporation more than a decade ago. Maybe now you “get it”?

  • lizryan

    Sounds sour-grape-y to me — ten years ago and you're still stewing?

  • dorsal900

    “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”. It would have been outstanding if you actually did something about the abusive HR behavior when you were in a position to do so at USR, not just point it out now for all to say “yeah, Liz is really on to something!”. Are you trying to cleanse your soul?

  • http://www.RobinRyan.com/ Robin Ryan, career counselor

    Hey where's the hope and compassion here for the 15 million unemployed people desperate to land a new job??? Rehashing how hard it is to get hired does not provide HOPE to anyone. People are so discouraged already — in the future focus on blogging about WHAT does work! Unemployed people know first hand how painfully slow and bad the hiring companies can behave towards them. They do need to get depressed more with your blog hitting them in the head. Show some compassion and offer good examples of how people are getting hired and offering good ways to gain new skills or improve computer skills, etc quickly.

  • lizryan

    On the contrary, reader after reader (including the posters above) has shared the view that it's very affirming to hear that it's not you, it's them. This is an important message for job-seekers to hear. I'm sorry that you've interpreted this as a negative message – dozens of my correspondents see it in just the opposite way, as an important reminder that they're fine, and it's the system that's broken. Thousands of my columns here on Glassdoor and elsewhere tell people what does work in a job search, but this message is different and important – it's a message to job-seekers not to let the amoebae get you down — and to HR people reminding them that just because tons of other employers treat job-seekers like dirt, they don't have to.

  • jimbryan

    This is an excellent article and really “hits the mark” regarding the job searching process. Reading the follow up comments has provided some good alternatives for this tedious process. Please keep up the good work.

  • http://twitter.com/finolaprescott Finola Prescott

    Been both employer and employee and even as a little business, gone through the process of asking prospective people all those odd things…because that's what we're supposed to do…it never got us any better employees though! You're spot on. What a reality check.
    Guess the HR world needs someone to smash their archaic system to bits-recommended reading? (aside from this blog:) Who's creating the ground-breaking new concept and guidelines for how to make real connections between job seeker and employer?

  • Wu Ming

    Another big reason I hate the online posts is that it's actually illegal for an employer to discriminate because of age, yet they're allowed to require that you fill in all your true dates of college graduation, etc. or be disqualified for either leaving it empty or telling a lie. With a college graduation date, they can tell exactly how old you are, and there goes your application into the bin without any recourse from anti-discrimination laws.

  • Wu Ming

    WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING??

    It's rude.

  • laodecia7th

    This is brilliant!!! I FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY!!! I've been looking for work and filling out these mindless, soulless and all around brainless apps for going on two years now and I can't even get a job at PETCO!!! I've been a manager for new accounts for AMEX before and I'm not good enough to get a simple retail job?? These apps are simply non personal and have no human side to them. I was actually told by PIZZA HUT that my app must be in the computer's green light to even give me an interview. So a computer is hiring me??? This is all so stupid and I feel that society is going to fail after all. Good luck to everyone and I'm going to learn how to hunt and build a log cabin. I'm going to the mountains. :P

  • lizryan

    Thanks for the comments folks — we talk about this stuff all day long at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/asklizryan, my online discussion group. You might enjoy it! Cheers, Liz

  • lizryan

    The bureaucrats (I call them amoebae) manning the Black Hole will insist that you include those dates Wu Ming, but I don't want you to deal with those people at all. Can we find the decision-maker's name via Linkedin or Google? Liz