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Plante Moran Reviews

Updated November 21, 2016
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Pros
  • Work/Life Balance ; family oriented offices ; extensive training (in 23 reviews)

  • I know they are trying to "sell" us on the company, but it still seemed like a great place to work (in 10 reviews)

Cons
  • Work life balance is slightly better than Big 4 during busy season but slightly worse than Big 4 off-season (in 12 reviews)

  • Obvious busy season hours, potential for a lot of travel (in 21 reviews)

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  1. Helpful (8)

    "Mediocre in Michigan; low pay; poor exit ops"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Audit Manager in Cleveland, OH
    Current Employee - Audit Manager in Cleveland, OH
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Approves of CEO

    I have been working at Plante Moran full-time

    Pros

    Take it if the only offer you get.
    Some mediocre middle management and partners.

    Cons

    As a first year, your pay is on par with Big 4. It falls further behind each year. It is typically $30k less by the time you reach manager. Exit ops are mediocre in MI, poor in OH & IL, and horrible in all other states. Consider switching to Big 4 ASAP if you start work here. Work life balance is slightly better than Big 4 during busy season but slightly worse than Big 4 off-season. Public accounting (audit and tax) are such that under 10% of ppl enjoy their jobs. Even if you love your job, it can get depressing since few of your colleagues will. Also, it is becoming more compliance oriented, so it doesn't set you up for a front office job (only back office exit ops).

    Advice to Management

    This firm has serious downsides compared to Big 4. Management hypes up the firm like a cult even though the work is uninspiring and most ppl dislike their jobs.


  2. Helpful (13)

    "Buyer beware!!!"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Tax in Southfield, MI
    Current Employee - Tax in Southfield, MI
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Approves of CEO

    I have been working at Plante Moran full-time (More than 5 years)

    Pros

    Strong Michigan presence. Lot's of openings due to huge turnover

    Cons

    No real presence in Illinois or Ohio. Huge turnover especially in Ann Arbor, Kalamazoo and Columbus offices. Partners aren't very "jerk-free" in these offices and support staff are NOT "Jerk-free" at all!!!! If you're going to work here stay clear of these offices, they're the worst of the firm. As many of the other reviews have stated technology is so far behind. Individuals coming from other firms have to take 10 steps BACKWARDS to utilize technology at Plante, If you're starting out there are many other firms that are way better than Plante. HR is huge problem from the top down. They are not professional and are all about gossip and sharing confidential information about staff. Won't be surprised if this will become a legal issue in the future. NO DIVERSITY, it may seem so from the website but take a walk through any of the offices and you won't see much diversity at all. Supposedly because there are no good candidates out there, I guess it's also how hard you look.

    Advice to Management

    So much change is needed, don't know where to start. Really need to stop with the slogans, i.e. "jerk-free" "easy as pie", etc this is very passé. Upgrade technology to this century. Spend the money on this and not on the annual firm conference. No one really cares about skits and seeing who made partner - waste of a day and dollars. Get HR to stop gossiping over the fence and get out there do their job and bring diversity to the firm. Shake up HR and get them to toe the line if not you can be assured that they will be the demise of the firm


  3. Helpful (8)

    "Big on getting recognized for being great, not big on doing the things to be great"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Anonymous Employee in Chicago, IL
    Current Employee - Anonymous Employee in Chicago, IL
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Approves of CEO

    I have been working at Plante Moran full-time (More than 3 years)

    Pros

    - Seem to try and do what they think is best
    - Growing in Chicago
    - Cheap soda
    - Promote work/life balance

    Cons

    - Management seems to be making decisions based on outdated logic and with a focus on what will benefit the few, especially those at the top
    - Promote work/life balance, but this seems to be a lot of talk and definitely not a reality among my co-workers
    - We made Fortune's best place to work list! Here is a $5 gift card!
    - Always tell you how great a place it is to work, but in reality, it just isn't that great unless you enjoy hardcore corporate culture and a complete lack of focus on employee day-to-day work life for the betterment of the firms growth/profit
    - Technology. The people who are making the decisions with technology are old, no better way to put it. Their decisions are laughable and are based on logic from the early 2000's (what is this scary, risky thing called e-mail!?)
    - Very little ability to make changes, despite employee's and certain management recognizing a great need for change in certain areas, nothing seems to get done, at least timely
    - Do not take others point of views in consideration, very centralized, top heavy decision making
    - Never felt as if management shared the values of the employees working there

    Advice to Management

    When there is a problem, fix it! TRUST your employees and do not treat them like your subordinates. Rather, seek their opinions and put an emphasis on improving their work life, not just your clients.

    Advice to potential new hires - do not buy into the hype and look elsewhere if looking at middle market.


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  5. Helpful (10)

    "Good experience with client work, however severely underpaid"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Manager in Chicago, IL
    Current Employee - Manager in Chicago, IL
    Doesn't Recommend
    No opinion of CEO

    Pros

    Public Accounting Experience is great - you will learn about tax and accounting. Offices are nice. good amount of vacation days.

    Cons

    The firm is only known in Michigan, no brand recognition in Illinois. Very competetive for engagements, and partners favor certain managers and staff. Most decisions are made in Michigan, so partners are powerless. Many transfers from Michigan to Chicago, who end up transferring back to Michigan. Most things are run out of the Michigan office, so if you live in Chicago, expect to be in the office at 6 am for webinar training.

    Advice to Management

    Focus on developing your staff and managers in Chicago who have built their Chicago based networks, this will help with growth in Illinois. Spend money on things like raises and bonuses instead of the very expensive annual conferences.


  6. Helpful (5)

    "Don't believe the hype"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Senior Consultant in Chicago, IL
    Current Employee - Senior Consultant in Chicago, IL
    Doesn't Recommend
    No opinion of CEO

    Pros

    Good place for young professionals to start career.

    Cons

    Compensation and benefits are significantly lower than similar firms.

    Advice to Management

    Compensation and benefits should be adjusted to attract and retain talent.


  7. Helpful (6)

    "Horrible"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - Anonymous Employee
    Former Employee - Anonymous Employee
    Doesn't Recommend
    Neutral Outlook
    Approves of CEO

    I worked at Plante Moran (More than 3 years)

    Pros

    Paid holidays, PTO and free food.

    The people I met over the years were amazing.

    Cons

    Office manager is extremely passive aggressive, shows a TON of favoritism and thinks she is gods gift to the world.

    Love the people in health care and audit, they truly cared.

    Advice to Management

    Get a new office manager ... that's the main reason why I and many others left.


  8. Helpful (14)

    "HR and upper management are out of control"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - In Charge
    Former Employee - In Charge
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I worked at Plante Moran full-time (More than 3 years)

    Pros

    The partners really are great. They are the ones that lived through the "Golden Rule" days. Now the firm is expanding and getting larger, and that Golden Rule standard is gone with current HR and upper management. The working from out of the office can be nice.

    Cons

    If you dare offer a complaint as to how someone is not following the Golden Rule or just being overly obnoxious... you might get frowned upon. If you say such things about the backbiting upper management, you may well be pushed out of the firm as the upper management will be told and they'll know who offered the criticism -- good bye any productive work hours and good bye job. Not only will in-charges and above cut your workload, they will intentionally lower your review scores if they are threatened. If you never say a word about unfairness... this is the place for you. And trust me, I'm not a complainer, but I won't have anyone treat me horribly and not speak up about it -- but apparently that's a bad idea at PM.

    The work/life balance promoted by PM is only good for your first year when your charge hours are not tracked. After that, you'll have to work impossible hours to reach an impossible goal. Many if not all of the 3+ year staff have an abundance of vacation time that has continued to grow each year because if they dare to use it then they will not meet charge hour goals. If they do use it, then plan on spending many 60+ hours in the office to make up for trying to find a work life balance. The charge hour goal is ridiculous and does not allow for this curious work/life balance they talk about.

    The pay is stagnant even in the rising economy. The raises were nice, until you learn how the incoming class is making almost as much when they just started. The pay isn't nearly competitive with Big 4 firms and the raises leave something to be desired, but the hours (despite the Kool Aid hype) are the same or more than one would work in Big 4. I moved to another firm and made $15K more starting. I should have jumped ship before my fourth year, realistically.

    Overall, this is a firm that could be great, but they've allowed some upper/middle management types and HR to control the firm and remove the once enjoyable "Jerk Free" motto from the workplace. Upper and middle management who are jerks are promoted and stood behind, even when their actions are negative and offensive.

    Unfortunately, PM should be great. The partners there really are great people, but their underlyings are the dregs of society when it comes to a positive work environment. The pay and raises are poor (no bonus until 3rd year?!?! -- and even then it's not a decent bonus) and not comparable to market.

    If you can't get into a better firm, then go to PM. Just know it's the first step, and look for an exit as soon as you pass the CPA exam.

    Advice to Management

    Stop serving up Kool Aid, and ...as many people have mentioned... reign in your HR department that is hell bent on having power like crazy policemen. Start bonuses earlier and give raises that reflect what an incoming class is making + some.


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