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Updated February 9, 2017
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Pros
  • Great coworkers, quality products, and a well-known brand (in 20 reviews)

  • Pay is good for the area, great people to work with (in 17 reviews)

Cons
  • Negativity from some staff members, lack of communication from senior management down the line and some uninspiring work spaces are cons (in 32 reviews)

  • Upper management really, really sucks and puts you in a figurative sleeper hold (in 21 reviews)

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  1. Helpful (2)

    "It's an unhappy place that can pay well."

    Star Star Star Star Star
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    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - Group Marketing Manager in Tucson, AZ
    Former Employee - Group Marketing Manager in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Neutral Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I worked at Rain Bird full-time (More than 10 years)

    Pros

    Great coworkers, quality products, and a well-known brand. However, it's a sad thing to watch highly qualified people with strong records of accomplishment come in and be unsuccessful for reasons they are never sure of.

    Cons

    The high turnover rate is by design and championed by the top leadership because it is a requirement. Expect to have little ability to influence key decisions.

    Advice to Management

    None.


  2. Helpful (8)

    "Stay away or you will regret it !!!"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Engineer in Tucson, AZ
    Current Employee - Engineer in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I have been working at Rain Bird full-time (More than a year)

    Pros

    Great people below management. Most of the people I work with share the same feelings and are trying to find a way out. I've developed friendships with some people and enjoy spending some evenings out after work.

    Cons

    Work here and end up like most people that work here, including me. You will regret your decision and work hard to find a way out. If you leave before your anniversary, you'll be responsible for paying back the relocation costs. If you wait until after the first year, you might turn into an unhappy zombie worker . Rain Bird is a lifeless place full of people who gave up trying. It sucks working on quality projects all day, every day.

    Stay away! Don't sell your soul for a little extra money - it's not worth your happiness.

    Advice to Management

    You don't know everything and frequently make mistakes - which you completely ignore. Many people lose respect for management because they are quick to come down on people, never support their employees, worry that their direct reports will take their job, and refuse to take responsibility for their own mistakes. Management consists of unsavory hypocrites with no clue how to lead.


  3. Helpful (8)

    "I'm surprised that Rain Bird's intentional systemic "Bait and Switch" tactics have not resulted in a CLASS ACTION LAWSUI"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - Marketing/Sales/Engineering/Quality/Customer Service Employee in Tucson, AZ
    Former Employee - Marketing/Sales/Engineering/Quality/Customer Service Employee in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I worked at Rain Bird full-time (More than 10 years)

    Pros

    They hire top talent. They offer a $25 Christmas gift card to all employees just before Christmas probably because they don't have Christmas parties. I no longer work at Rain Bird, that is a "Pro".

    Cons

    The salary is higher but total compensation is lower because bonuses and raises are minimal or non-existent and promotions are sparse because they rarely promote from within. The salary may sound good at first... until you do the math. This is an intentional cost savings measure. Additionally, the job requisition is intentionally misleading. People think they will do great things at Rain Bird then find out that they aren't getting a raise and their bonus is laughable because they didn't meet the ridiculous milestones intentionally placed at unachievable levels. This happens year over year.

    A class action lawsuit should be filed against Rain Bird based on several claims. 1) A typical employee chooses to move their family to Tucson based on a job description that is intentionally misrepresented. 2) They are told that they will make $100,000 (nice round example) and are told that they will receive up to a X% performance based bonus along with an annual raise. 3). They are told that they will be fully compensated for their move.

    The hypothetical past or present employee has suffered damages due to Rain Bird's intentional misrepresentations.

    - Uprooted entire family and move to a different state
    - Reimbursement is taxable. If an employee spends $30,000 to make the move, they will be reimbursed $20,000. They are left with $10,000 in unpaid reimbursements.
    - Receives 0-30% bonus. $7,000-$10,000 less than anticipated, annually for the person making $100,000 with 10% bonus. Bonus % varies but it's never paid anywhere near 100%, by design.
    - Doesn't obtain a raise after the first year. First and only raise is 1-2% during the first year. After 5 years with another company, that person would make ~$15,000+ more per year. This would be more if there was a promotion.
    - Employee not happy that they are only working on quality projects and morale is very low. Emplyee not able to successfully break the rain Bird laws, instead, they break themselves against the Rain Bird laws in an attempt to make positive change. Employee is miserable and the light dims.

    Damages over 5 years include uprooting family, $10,000 in lost move related reimbursements, ~$45,000 in lost bonuses (10% for 4 years + 5% for 1 year), ~$45,000 in lost raises ($3k + $6k + $9k + $12k + $15k), and damages related to intentionally misleading prospective employees based on the job requisition (I.e. stuck in a career sucking the life from their existence).

    Monetary damages for this past or present employee (not including other damages) is $100,000. For 1,000 past and present employees, this would cost the company $100 Million.

    Working Here Will Set Your Career Back 5-10 Years and You Will Regret it almost Instantly. They pay slightly higher salaries but pay little to no bonus and raise after the first year. Total annual compensation at Rain Bird will be the same or less with respect to your last non-Rain Bird job. This is how they trick people to move to Tucson with their families without paying more than any other company (total compensation). It's deceptive, intentional, and they do it to almost everyone as a cost savings measure.

    Rain Bird regularly engages in unethical and deceptive practices to trick unsuspecting candidates to join the company. Watch out for these top deceptive practices:

    1. Total Compensation Deception - They pay slightly better salaries than other companies, but they actively have a cost cutting metric to minimize the bonus and raise of their employees. They do this by creating unattainable goals and by instructing employees to come down hard on other employees during the annual review. Employees are encouraged to give their employees a bad review and are often instructed what to include in the review.

    Rain Bird's efforts are effective; as a result, many top talented people are told that they suck and that they deserve little or no raise and bonus. Total Compensation is typically comparable to what they received at their previous job. After a few years, the skills that got people hired become dull and they make less than their present self if they worked at a different company. Employees are not happy about the multi-year flat raise and bonus scheme used as a cost cutting strategy. Neither was I during my tenure at Rain Bird.

    2. Job Requisition Deception - Rain Bird job requisitions looks great. However, they are an intentional misrepresentation of the job. New hires are usually frustrated after joining the company because they joined under the false pretense that they would not primarily work on quality and cost reduction projects (mostly quality). During an interview, the company employees may go into detail about the heavy imbalance towards quality projects, if asked. They will explain that the imbalance towards quality projects is temporary and that they expect that it will change in the months to come (it won't).

    During the interview, they will likely express their desire to find someone that can move into a new role through succession planning. They may even throw out a time-frame such as "6 months" to begin moving into the new role. None of it is true. It is all a ploy to get great people to leave their jobs, city, extended families, friends, schools, and life to move their families to dusty old Tucson. It is deceptive and people should be aware.

    3. Full Relocation Reimbursement - What they don't tell you is that relocation reimbursement is considered taxable income by Rain Bird. If a new employee spends $30,000 to move to Tucson with their family, they will reimburse $20,000. This is buried in their employment agreement but they never bring it up. This is unethical and leaves many people fuming.

    4. Dismissal of Glassdoor Reviews - They will never simply tell candidates that the company culture is the worst they ever experienced and morale is very low for almost all employees. They will not tell you that the candidate is walking into a systemic trap intentionally set by Rain Bird.

    Senior level employees are not competent. They are always pressured to follow the rules of the dictatorship from above. They don't really get to lead and are concerned that they will lose their jobs. They are told exactly what to do and to whom. They are constantly experiencing a blend of pressure and fear. They don't develop and mentor their direct reports. They worry that their direct reports will outshine them. People get fired for outshining their boss or boss's boss. That's part of the Rain Bird culture and it has happened on a few occasions. Lastly, I've never seen an employee recover from being blacklisted by management. Top employees abandon the employee and their remaining time is brief before they are fired. There is only one possible outcome, by design.

    5. Everyone gets 2 weeks' vacation. After 5 years, people get 3 weeks. Employees work on many holidays other companies have off. This isn't really deceptive but the holiday schedule is rarely brought up. The hiring managers typically disclose vacation during the interview process but don't bring up the holiday schedule.

    Some prospective candidates will be convinced that their experience will be different from the people behind the hundreds of negative Glassdoor reviews. For those people, here's what they can expect when working at Rain Bird.

    1. Your passion and excitement will dim.
    2. Your skills will dull and you will spend 90-100% of your time working on quality projects.
    3. Your boss will tell you that you suck at marketing/engineering/sales/quality.
    4. Expect a horrible company culture and very low morale. This will eventually impact you, if you don't leave.
    5. Work your butt off and your boss will focus on what you did wrong. This is part of their strategy.
    6. You'll probably only work on quality projects and some cost reduction projects throughout your entire career at Rain Bird.
    7. Your boss will not be supportive of you. He/she will be pressured and will transcend that pressure onto you. Accomplishments are never rewarded and your boss will try and use your weaknesses (real or perceived) against you during the review. They will never help develop your genuine weaknesses. They have a metric to track how often a boss puts people into corrective action. Bosses are expected to use corrective actions which is a metric used against them if they do not comply.
    9. No one will change the culture and low employee morale. Many have tried. Either, people dim and stay or they leave after being set back 5-10 years in their career.
    10. You will learn what not to do at your next employer.
    11. Everyone focuses on quality projects and are demoralized. The owner is obsessed with quality way beyond the point of diminishing returns. He probably doesn't want to risk his cash flow situation and will therefore, not change the status quo.
    12. You may bring up concerns on multiple occasions, however, nothing will change. This is guaranteed.

    If you choose to join Rain Bird and ignore this review along with the hundreds of other reviews (i.e. warnings)... then good luck, you will need it.

    Advice to Management

    Why Bother. Nothing new can be said that hasn't been said 100 times over. Nothing will ever change and that's fine with Tony since he receives a nice cash flow with a small bump, year over year. He's not interested in doing anything new. The status quo will never change.


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  5. Helpful (8)

    "Disappointment"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Anonymous Employee in Tucson, AZ
    Current Employee - Anonymous Employee in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I have been working at Rain Bird full-time (More than a year)

    Pros

    The caliber of talent and skill of the employees here is matched by none. Rain Bird truly hires the best. Locations of facilities are beautiful.

    Cons

    Believe it all. The culture is a train wreck. The senior leaders seek no dis-confirming perspective and are therefore, stuck in a naive incestuous echo chamber. They truly believe they know the industry better than any other, that they know business process and quality production better than any other, and refuse to pay any real or honest respect to outside counsel. There is no reward for trying to improve in any respect. Put in the long hours due to the lack of resources and you'll only be reprimanded when the impossible is not achieved. The story is an overwhelming blame game here. The leaders emulate it. They teach it. They live it. Certainly had hoped that after all these years they could have improved, sadly I am disappointed. Stay clear of this train wreck. The only ones who stay here grew up in the company or are stuck and cannot figure out how to leave. They just don't know any better, but working down the street at a taco stand would be an improvement in every respect but the pay.

    Advice to Management

    No advice. There is really no point. All the advice internally has been ignored. Why waste the internet space on advice to improve. You'll never listen anyways. This place is the most hopeless work environment I have ever encountered in 30+ years


  6. Helpful (7)

    "What a waste. Plan to sell your sole for money."

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - Engineer in Tucson, AZ
    Former Employee - Engineer in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I worked at Rain Bird full-time (More than 3 years)

    Pros

    Money is the only reason to work here.

    Cons

    There is an article on Glassdoor called "7 Companies You Should Never Work For". Look it up before you accept a job here, because all 7 are present at Rain Bird.

    A few more things to contemplate before accepting a position at the Bird.

    Realize that you will never achieve more than 40% of your bonus. Many manager use "moving target" bonuses as a year cost savings measure.

    Ask yourself if you are willing to trade money to regress in your career by 5-10 years. No matter how much you believe it will not happen to you, it will at the Bird. Ask the hiring manager where he/she came from and how many direct reports they had there. Then ask yourself why would someone that had 3-4 times as many direct reports take the job they currently have much less Hint: they were fooled into believing they could make a change.

    When someone tells you that you will have to wear multiple hats, assume that these hats include ordering lunch, search supply cabinets for the last unused highlighter, finding out that is it your responsibility to keep the copiers in toner and the toilets clean.

    Advice to Management

    Hope for a hostile takeover. There is no other way to change this company.


  7. Helpful (1)

    "Project manager"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    Former Employee - Anonymous Employee in Vail, AZ
    Former Employee - Anonymous Employee in Vail, AZ

    I worked at Rain Bird full-time (More than a year)

    Pros

    good for the time that I was there

    Cons

    not a full time gig


  8. Helpful (1)

    "Great Company but not for everyone!"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Current Employee - Sales Manager in Tucson, AZ
    Current Employee - Sales Manager in Tucson, AZ
    Recommends
    Positive Outlook
    Approves of CEO

    I have been working at Rain Bird full-time (More than 10 years)

    Pros

    Very talented co-workers, great pay, challenging roles and good career growth opportunities make this a good company to work for. People who are suited for this company, tend to stay for many many years. Those that cannot cope are usually gone within a year or two. If you like challenges and willing to work hard, this is the place to be.

    Cons

    Negativity from some staff members, lack of communication from senior management down the line and some uninspiring work spaces are cons

    Advice to Management

    Remove the negative people, motivate the performers by talking to them more openly and sell your decisions and this company will go to greater heights


  9. "Support Enginer/Technician"

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - GSP ENGINEER/RBTS TECHNICIAN in Phoenix, AZ
    Former Employee - GSP ENGINEER/RBTS TECHNICIAN in Phoenix, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Positive Outlook
    Approves of CEO

    I worked at Rain Bird full-time (More than 10 years)

    Pros

    One can become diversified with skills, some freedom to explore professional interests.

    Cons

    Tough culture, much required from an individual to remain, even more to excel.

    Advice to Management

    Hire from within.


  10. Helpful (3)

    "Senior Engineer"

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    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - Anonymous Employee in Tucson, AZ
    Former Employee - Anonymous Employee in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Neutral Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I worked at Rain Bird (More than 5 years)

    Pros

    The company offers competitive pay which attracts talented people to work for it. The irrigation market itself is fun.

    Cons

    The turn over rate is quite high. The company set very high annual goals for product managers and sales managers. So the pressure is always high. It takes time to fill a position. However the company does not focus on keeping good employees. The company follows the market closely. When the market goes down, the company will not be hesitated to lay good people off immediately. When the market improves in 3 months, it is willing to pay extra and big relocation cost to hire new ones. A few good directors tried to change the company culture during the past 10 years. However they failed and left the company.

    Advice to Management

    This is a private family owned company. You are not able to change the company culture.


  11. Helpful (9)

    "Worst company to work for in any industry. President and direct reports lack vision and integrate. Terrible culture."

    Star Star Star Star Star
    • Work/Life Balance
    • Culture & Values
    • Career Opportunities
    • Comp & Benefits
    • Senior Management
    Former Employee - Senior Manager in Tucson, AZ
    Former Employee - Senior Manager in Tucson, AZ
    Doesn't Recommend
    Negative Outlook
    Disapproves of CEO

    I worked at Rain Bird full-time (More than a year)

    Pros

    Compensation is fair if you can last. Good people lower in the ranks of the company doing their best to add value.

    Cons

    Poor management approach for making decisions. Quick to push the blame for poor decisions to the lower ranks. Senior executives do not value their employees. High turn over.

    Advice to Management

    Replace president.



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